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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Tips for doing water changes????

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28 Oct 2011 16:29 #31 by smitas5 (Marius Smitas)

Can anyone suggest a decent pump that would do the job? As I said above, I am clueless as to what to look for and would probably end up getting totally the wrong thing!

is it this type?

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30 Oct 2011 18:44 #32 by PompeyBill (Killian Walshe)

Can anyone suggest a decent pump that would do the job? As I said above, I am clueless as to what to look for and would probably end up getting totally the wrong thing!

is it this type?

pump pump


Thats it Smitas, I'm not sure, totally clueless on the matter! Maybe someone else could let me/us know?

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31 Oct 2011 16:15 #33 by john gannon (John Gannon)
sean when pouring straight from a bucket into tank you can always put a plastic bag on the top of water and pour onto the bag it stops everything going everywhere
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09 Nov 2011 22:36 #34 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
thanks john ill give it a ago

i got 10 25L water drums the other day now im sure there are a good few lads that use drums how do us go about it as when fillin do u leave cap on or off also where do use store them outside or in side and do yous treat them and how do u go abput heatin th drums?

i have being usen aqua safe but it takes a lot doing water changes how do yas go about usen dechlorinator as it would cost a bomb to use as for doing big/loads off water changes

thanks

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10 Nov 2011 00:24 #35 by discobizkit38 (Alan)
I do a 25% water change every week for my cichlid setup.I remove the water with a ciphon and replace the water (treated) with roughly the same temp water.
Works for me and the fish are thriving!

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10 Nov 2011 09:45 #36 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)
I use 25 litre containers, I fill, dechlorinate, and leave in house overnight to bring up to room temp. I'm lucky, I have a shelf thats level with the top of tank, I lift container onto shelf and siphon water back into tank using gravel cleaner. No mess and a lot easier than pouring from heavy bucket

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10 Nov 2011 10:05 #37 by Ski (Alan McGee)
Not sure why i'm not doing what dyco619 is doing cos i've a fx5 as well but this is what i started off with so afriad to change because it seems to be working fine for me.

I've two tanks - a 300 l semi aggressive and and 550 aggressive

I syphon out two buckets out of the 300 and 4 buckets out of the 550 every sunday and then fill them up with 6 buckets that i've kept for the week at room temperature.

When filling the buckets after a water change i stick in a capful of the tap water stuff and bacteria stuff. Yes i'm very technical.

Only downside is that i've 6 buckets of water constantly sitting out beside the washing maching - doesn't bother me but the bird isn't impressed :)

I just chuck the buckets in on top of the fish cos they seem to like it. I don't have anything fragile like discus or anyting like that though.

I'm of the thinking, if it's not broke, don't fix it so i'm gonna continue what i'm doing and not try anything fancy

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10 Nov 2011 10:21 #38 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
ski that is wat i have being doing me self but the thing is do u not use a lot off dechlorinator? i was readin some where someone sayin on one off the fourms that he spwnds about 50euro a year on dechlorinator now how would that be as it says on the aqua safe u use i THINK 20ml for ever 20L think that is it could be wrong tho so if that was the case a lot off it would have to be used?

when u are storen your drums do u leave the cap on or off or does it not make a difference?

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10 Nov 2011 11:29 #39 by Ski (Alan McGee)
Hi Sean, i'm by no way an expert on the matter. I just started off doing that so gonna stick with it cos haven't killed any fish in two years and all fish seem fine.

Yeah i spend a bit alright on declorinator. I order it from www.zooplus.com and over a certain amount it's free delivery.

I don't have any containers, i just use buckets so they're open to the elements. For every bucket i put in a capful of nutrafin cycle aquarium supplement and a capful of tetra aqua safe. I get the 5000 ml from zooplus so i don't have to get the small bottles from the local petshop - would cost a lot more!

Again i might be doing this wrong but i seems to work for me and haven't had any problems yet.

www.zooplus.de is the german version of the website and is cheaper still for external filters etc if you're every looking. It's free delivery as well

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10 Nov 2011 11:50 #40 by Ski (Alan McGee)
I'd say it all depends on the fish as well. What kind of fish do you have Sean?

The lads on the forum with the pretty fish would prob kill me for what i'm doing. I'm not sure but i'd say more care has to be taken with fragile fish.

In my semi aggressive tank i've oscars, jack dempesy etc and in my aggressive i've piranha's. I'd say you could pour petrol into those guys and they'd be ok - not gonna try it though cos been through enough with the feckers.

One or two big containers would prob be a good idea but my tanks are kind of high and like valerie said, if they fall then you're in trouble

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10 Nov 2011 12:59 #41 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)
Ski

If you bring your empty bottles of dechlorinator into Pete in Aquapaws in Galway, he'll fill them for half price. Cheaper and environmently friendly B)

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10 Nov 2011 13:06 #42 by Ski (Alan McGee)
Jez didn't know that and spend enough time in there. Thanks christyg.

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10 Nov 2011 14:32 #43 by louis (David Knowles)
Hi Ski, whats that Nutrafin Cycle for.

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10 Nov 2011 14:47 #44 by Ski (Alan McGee)
Hi louis, it just contains good bacteria that breaks down all the bad stuff in the water.

I might be wrong but it's really needed at the start when you're setting up your tank so that you get a lot of good bacteria in your filter.

Not sure if everyone puts it into the water on a weekly basis but i just do it to be safe.

Description of the product is below

Nutrafin Cycle is a biological aquarium supplement. It contains beneficial bacteria which help to maintain the correct biological balance of your aquarium.

NUTRAFIN Cycle is a biological aquarium supplement. It features five times the biomass of the current generation, and is composed of 5 strains of nitrifying bacteria and the correct balance of heterotrophic and lithotrophic bacteria.

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11 Nov 2011 10:08 #45 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
everything seems to be ok for me to just askin ya know i was wrong it is 10ml for every 20L off water with the aqua safe but still is a bit it u are fill up ten drums once a week i got a liter off it for 15euro off someone here but when that goes is there a cheap one to but that is still good

Nutrafin Cycle is that some sort off stress zyme? (could be worong on that name)

is there anyone in navan/dublin that does wat Pete does?

i dont have any fragile fish or anything like that i just have angles and rainbows guppies Gouramis and a lot others have them all in about 5 tanks so have something off everything u could say

i have no worreis doing water changes as it is handy enough ta just pour the drums in slowly does it :L

have the drums in the house now with caps taken off to let them warm up to room temp

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11 Nov 2011 15:02 - 11 Nov 2011 15:02 #46 by Avbede (Avbede)
Replied by Avbede (Avbede) on topic Re: Tips for doing water changes????
Pete also does refills of Easylife, Aquasafe, TetraPro food, Flake food, Cichlid and Catfish pellets at Half price too.
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11 Nov 2011 21:08 #47 by m4r10 (m4r10)

Pete also does refills of Easylife, Aquasafe, TetraPro food, Flake food, Cichlid and Catfish pellets at Half price too.


Who's Pete?

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12 Nov 2011 01:10 #48 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
"Pete" is Aquapaws, in Galway

Fishkeeping the Only way to get wet and wild

currently 25 tanks, and breeding is the aim of everything i keep
location:Limerick

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12 Nov 2011 08:35 #49 by m4r10 (m4r10)
Too far from Dublin :(

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12 Nov 2011 11:04 #50 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
fair play to him for doing the refills laces in dublin and that should also try it as they would sell out doing it and would be great for us closer as galway is just a bit far :(

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12 Nov 2011 11:49 #51 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)
The West's awake!!!! :cheer:

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18 Feb 2012 22:12 #52 by smitas5 (Marius Smitas)
quick question:
if I use my FX5 for draining and filling 450L aquarium.. During filling will the fresh water not kill the 'good' bacteria in the filter?

Thanks

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18 Feb 2012 23:16 #53 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
how do u use an fx5 for fillin the tank?

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19 Feb 2012 01:01 #54 by m4r10 (m4r10)
I say you're supposed to use treated water when filling the tank up again, so if you want to replace 90L of water (20% of 450L), you just connect the input of the filter to whatever container you have the water in, so job done!

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19 Feb 2012 12:18 #55 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
For emptying the tank, the filter could be very useful....saves you siphoning.
But using it to fill the tank is not a good idea.

The damage to the filter bacterial colony is rightly an obvious concern, but what about the filter itself?

To get your filter to pump the 90 litres (or whatever) upto the tank, you'd need to have the 90 litres of new water at quite a height above the filter in the first place else the siphon action won't work properly.

If you've managed to lift the 90 litres to such a height that the filter's intake siphon action will work, then you might as well simply pour the water in via some 10 litre bucket fulls.

Or...buy a cheap powerhead and some tubing. Powerheads are cheap enough nowadays.

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19 Feb 2012 12:28 #56 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
was thinkin the same meself ian

i have an FX5 and i would rather siphon the water out the to use the port on the filter to empty as this is not very durable and if it was to break u would need a new filter

as for refillin i sit 25L drums on top off the tank and use the hose off my siphon to siphon the wtaer back in to the tank as the drum is higher then the tank it is very easy it just a matter off lift a lot off 25L drums un and down off the tank

i am lookin for a power head the has and inlet and a outlet so i can put to lenths off hose on it and empty the tank with it and then when refillin i could leave the drums on the ground and put the inlet into the drum and the putlet in and tank and turn in on and it should refill it for me

the only thing is they are a good bit pricey well that i have seen arounf the place anyway

would be great if someone was sellin one 2nd hand

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19 Feb 2012 12:34 #57 by m4r10 (m4r10)
How can the treated water harm the bacteria in the filter when filling the tank through the filter? After all, when doing 50% W/C, the new water will go through the filter in matter of minutes if poured straight to the tank and the water is after all treated to get rid of all nastities from it.

As for the filter itself, I don't think filling the tank from a water source from the same level as the filter will do any harm. Just think that all the pumps located in sumps do this 24/7 and most of them are not so powerfull as an FX5.

@draco: My comment on the % was meant to be a joke, we all do mistakes and not all the time proof-read to spot them. I guess I forgot to add a smiley to my comment :whistle:

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19 Feb 2012 12:38 #58 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Last year the ITFS held an auction.......loads of dirt cheap powerheads.
Maybe check-out the for sale section here when you see a marine sell-off. I have seen many bargains to be had from the bits-n-pieces.

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19 Feb 2012 12:47 #59 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
i think the one u are takin about ian is the one wat sits in the water i am lookin for 1 with and inlet and outlet on it like this





the last time i looked they where about 90 to 100 in the shops crazy price

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19 Feb 2012 18:28 #60 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

How can the treated water harm the bacteria in the filter when filling the tank through the filter? After all, when doing 50% W/C, the new water will go through the filter in matter of minutes if poured straight to the tank and the water is after all treated to get rid of all nastities from it.

As for the filter itself, I don't think filling the tank from a water source from the same level as the filter will do any harm. Just think that all the pumps located in sumps do this 24/7 and most of them are not so powerfull as an FX5.

@draco: My comment on the % was meant to be a joke, we all do mistakes and not all the time proof-read to spot them. I guess I forgot to add a smiley to my comment :whistle:


The FX5 is siphon-in filter that does rely on gravity somewhat ie water movement into the canister is passive; the outflow is active.
In a sump, the water is gravity-in based (passive) and uses a pump to return the water upwards to the tank (active).
The canister of the FX5 is like a sump, and its pump is the return pump. You still need to get water into the canister....even though the fx5 has a fancy start system, it is still passive intake.
The water level of the source for the fx5 needs to be about at least one foot above the top of the canister.

On the bacteria...it depends on what species you have growing. The sudden shock of fresh water (even if treated) having quite different water parameters to what they have adapted to can be damaging to one extent or another. If you do a 50% water change, then the change in water within the canister is not necessarily a sudden all-for-one 50% change....it will be subtle (a bit like introducing a new fish into the tank with partial water changes in the bag or whatever).
One of the things that you don't to do is to have a mass kill-off of bacteria within the filter.....it is not that death of filter system is necessarily the biggest problem as that can be easily overcome; but the toxic compounds churned back into the tank may cause havoc.

The nitrosofying bacteria are tougher than the nitrifying bacteria though. That difference is quite important.

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