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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)
Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
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26 Jan 2008 21:36 #1
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clown loaches was created by willowboty (will rolfe)
does anybody see how clown loaches carry white spots every were
whats the point in having them
whats the point in having them
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26 Jan 2008 22:09 #2
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They are suseptable to whitespot, like black mollies, but once cured, if kept correctly are unlikely to develop them again. Whitespot is easily cured.
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27 Jan 2008 01:09 #3
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I ve three clowns in one tank the same tank that never gives me trouble except fish dieing of old age.
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27 Jan 2008 13:52 #4
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Smoke me a Kipper, I’ll be back for breakfast.
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They are beautiful fish, once settled into a tank they never get whitespot IME.
Smoke me a Kipper, I’ll be back for breakfast.
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27 Jan 2008 14:01 #5
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Same here, I have 6 of them in the same tank ... never had white-spot in it ... Touch wood ! 
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27 Jan 2008 16:52 #6
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I think clown loaches are beautiful fish I did get white spot in my tank once but noticed it and treated it quickly and never had the problem again
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28 Jan 2008 02:14 #7
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The point is that people - myself included - like them !!!
OK, so they can be prone to whitespot but so what ??? Three alternate days' treatment with Protozin and they're right as new.
There's an underlying, almost disdainful, tone to this posting which ought, in my humble view, to be discouraged...everyone has his/her preferred fish - for my part I do not like Malawis, Tangyanikans, Discus, but most especially marines.
However, that is my choice not to like them, I don't go around asking what's the point of them, other people DO like them and that's their chosen preference, but this, at least since I have been a member of this Forum, is the first outright inferred condemnation of a fish because of its predilection for a disease that I can remember.
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does anybody see how clown loaches carry white spots every were
whats the point in having them
The point is that people - myself included - like them !!!
OK, so they can be prone to whitespot but so what ??? Three alternate days' treatment with Protozin and they're right as new.
There's an underlying, almost disdainful, tone to this posting which ought, in my humble view, to be discouraged...everyone has his/her preferred fish - for my part I do not like Malawis, Tangyanikans, Discus, but most especially marines.
However, that is my choice not to like them, I don't go around asking what's the point of them, other people DO like them and that's their chosen preference, but this, at least since I have been a member of this Forum, is the first outright inferred condemnation of a fish because of its predilection for a disease that I can remember.
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28 Jan 2008 12:01 #8
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Clown loaches are IMO one of the prettiest and definitely one of the most entertaining fish you can keep.
Their antics are hilarious and coloration, once settled and happy, can be vivid and striking in a shoal. I have four at the moment, one died when I introduced them, and there was the usual dose of WS with the others. I really should quarantine.
Interpet WS treatment sorted that, only two doses.
The rest are now happy as larry and Clowning around.
Great fish.
Their antics are hilarious and coloration, once settled and happy, can be vivid and striking in a shoal. I have four at the moment, one died when I introduced them, and there was the usual dose of WS with the others. I really should quarantine.
Interpet WS treatment sorted that, only two doses.
The rest are now happy as larry and Clowning around.
Great fish.
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28 Jan 2008 12:10 - 28 Jan 2008 12:12 #9
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I remember reading an article a while back that stated Clown Loach are not actually prone to White Spot.Well no more than most other fish.Apparently they produce these white spots themselves and they resemble White Spot or Ich.People think they have treated for White Spot successfully, but the supposed infected fish has removed the spots itself.
This may just be crap but if WS is in a tank it is likely to attach itself to any fish.Clown Loach have softer skin allowing the WS to anchor easily or maybe it is becasue they are bottom dwellers?
Either way if good husbandry skills are employed WS is no more than a mere hindrance.
This may just be crap but if WS is in a tank it is likely to attach itself to any fish.Clown Loach have softer skin allowing the WS to anchor easily or maybe it is becasue they are bottom dwellers?
Either way if good husbandry skills are employed WS is no more than a mere hindrance.
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28 Jan 2008 12:37 #10
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sorry to hijack this thread but while we are on the subject of whitespot...I have various loaches clowns, pakinstani, kuli etc I also have at the moment the worst case of whiteshpot imaginable. i introduced new fish that i should have quarantined and I am paying the price. more fool me I should have known better.
I have treated twice with protazin, once with salt I have raised the temperature twice and the poor fish are riddled. I have never seen a dose like it. Fish are running into the glass swimming backwards and upside down trying to sratch. Its heart breaking to watch. 2 of the newbies died and I am left with 2. I also have sharks gouramis and giant danios (these are swimming in circles). I have a large shrimp who I am worried about having a reaction to the salt and treatment. the loaches are in an awful state and are very sensitive which doesnt help.
Are there any other treatments that have proved sucessful for anyone
I have treated twice with protazin, once with salt I have raised the temperature twice and the poor fish are riddled. I have never seen a dose like it. Fish are running into the glass swimming backwards and upside down trying to sratch. Its heart breaking to watch. 2 of the newbies died and I am left with 2. I also have sharks gouramis and giant danios (these are swimming in circles). I have a large shrimp who I am worried about having a reaction to the salt and treatment. the loaches are in an awful state and are very sensitive which doesnt help.
Are there any other treatments that have proved sucessful for anyone
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28 Jan 2008 12:41 - 29 Jan 2008 16:13 #11
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Hi Nessa,
Sorry to hear about your fish's miseries.
I use eSHA Exit. It seems to work! ...
Good luck with your fight against w/s !
Talk soon
Valerie
Sorry to hear about your fish's miseries.
I use eSHA Exit. It seems to work! ...
Good luck with your fight against w/s !
Talk soon
Valerie
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28 Jan 2008 13:30 #12
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hi Nessa,
what sort of numbers are we talking about infected. Can you reseed the filter? not to sure about the shrimp. first i would do (i know you have ) a good water change then restart treatment increase dosage by 50%. when treatment period is finished do not use charcoal to remove allow to diffuse through water changes rather than being removed I would consider 50% dosage of met blue as well i would also if numbers allow baths in met blue and salt.
this is drastic and the risks are high but when all else fails, equipment another important but over looked cause! equipment safety! water/moisture in siphon can reintroduce infection thus i would give all equipment a good old wash in something suitable to destroy any thing harmful.
Another thing to consider is food! Are the foods you are using giving the extra boost the fish need at the moment the spectrum line is a good source for this also Immuvit mixed with some Daphnia, brimeshrimp bloodworms etc will give them a boost.
fingers crossed for you
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what sort of numbers are we talking about infected. Can you reseed the filter? not to sure about the shrimp. first i would do (i know you have ) a good water change then restart treatment increase dosage by 50%. when treatment period is finished do not use charcoal to remove allow to diffuse through water changes rather than being removed I would consider 50% dosage of met blue as well i would also if numbers allow baths in met blue and salt.
this is drastic and the risks are high but when all else fails, equipment another important but over looked cause! equipment safety! water/moisture in siphon can reintroduce infection thus i would give all equipment a good old wash in something suitable to destroy any thing harmful.
Another thing to consider is food! Are the foods you are using giving the extra boost the fish need at the moment the spectrum line is a good source for this also Immuvit mixed with some Daphnia, brimeshrimp bloodworms etc will give them a boost.
fingers crossed for you
Mickey
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28 Jan 2008 14:54 - 28 Jan 2008 14:56 #13
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very good point about the equipment. have cleaned nets etc but not the siphon. I have done several large water changes in between doses have increased oxygen (airstone) have taken out any charcol. have pointed the outlet on the filter right up to break the surface.
I have 2 hoplo armoured catfish who I am amazed have white spots all over them...I have a little zipper loach who is like a bullet bouncing from the bottom to the top and he usually hides all the time. he is so small I cant believe he has not been eaten as he is out in the open for the past 14 days. I have about 20 fish in a 4ft tank with internal Jewel heater, filter etc. The heater broke and I changed it to a spare. At the same time that I introduced these new fish I replaced the heater with the Jewel original filter.
I have been feedin with spectrum,. bloodworm, white worms, flake and prima. Another thing that has just dawned on me is that I fed them chandlers a while ago. I dont know if that would make any difference. Maybe someone else here knows. I got them from a bait shop.
I havent tried the bath idea as there are quite an number of fish and they are fast buggers. I think the stress of catching them would do more harm to both me and them.
Thanks for your help it has given me more options.
Nessa
I have 2 hoplo armoured catfish who I am amazed have white spots all over them...I have a little zipper loach who is like a bullet bouncing from the bottom to the top and he usually hides all the time. he is so small I cant believe he has not been eaten as he is out in the open for the past 14 days. I have about 20 fish in a 4ft tank with internal Jewel heater, filter etc. The heater broke and I changed it to a spare. At the same time that I introduced these new fish I replaced the heater with the Jewel original filter.
I have been feedin with spectrum,. bloodworm, white worms, flake and prima. Another thing that has just dawned on me is that I fed them chandlers a while ago. I dont know if that would make any difference. Maybe someone else here knows. I got them from a bait shop.
I havent tried the bath idea as there are quite an number of fish and they are fast buggers. I think the stress of catching them would do more harm to both me and them.
Thanks for your help it has given me more options.
Nessa
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28 Jan 2008 15:38 #14
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definality not some thing i would know anything about is bait shops but i did see something about a person using baits, developed cancer it seems that they can use food and dyes that are not permitted for human use but are toxic. I guess not really relevant but one has to wonder? try pming Sean he might have some idea. Its ironic i was in one of my LFS(i use this term loosely) and they had a trade size bottle of treatment for €25approx but these can have a bit more punch maybe?????????????????? but a much bigger size
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28 Jan 2008 20:38 #15
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hi nessa
Whitespot has a 72 hr. cycle and can only be destroyed when it drops off the host and is in the free swimming stage. Thats why when treating with protozin you dose for days 1,2,and 3 and again on day 6. the dye must be in the water to cover the 72 hours. For the first 3 days don't dilute the medication by water changes, carbon or polyfilter but you can do a water change between the 4th and 6th days. If the tank is heavily planted you could remove some of these to prevent them absorbing the meds. Sick fish have poor appetite so reduce or stop feeding during treatment to prevent waste build up. Finally loaches are scaleless and sensitive to meds and dosing has to be very accurate, but protozin was developed with these fish in mind and it does work well IME. finally make sure the medication is not out of date.
Whitespot has a 72 hr. cycle and can only be destroyed when it drops off the host and is in the free swimming stage. Thats why when treating with protozin you dose for days 1,2,and 3 and again on day 6. the dye must be in the water to cover the 72 hours. For the first 3 days don't dilute the medication by water changes, carbon or polyfilter but you can do a water change between the 4th and 6th days. If the tank is heavily planted you could remove some of these to prevent them absorbing the meds. Sick fish have poor appetite so reduce or stop feeding during treatment to prevent waste build up. Finally loaches are scaleless and sensitive to meds and dosing has to be very accurate, but protozin was developed with these fish in mind and it does work well IME. finally make sure the medication is not out of date.
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29 Jan 2008 11:53 - 29 Jan 2008 11:54 #16
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thanks derek. the meds are not out of date and i have dosed as per instructions. I have also put a second heater in adn have been feedign less but of better quality. today one of the bala sharks looks done for. his fins are raggedy around the edges and he just looks exhausted. I didnt know I could change water in between day 3 and 6 so thanks. This is not your ordinary dose of whitespot as far as i can see it is really virulent. will keep dosing and hopefully I wont loose too many of my pals.
I am considering a salt bath or a malachite green bath does anyone know the doseages for the malachite green.
thanks for all you help everyone. I suppose this is what the forum is greatest for.
Nessa
I am considering a salt bath or a malachite green bath does anyone know the doseages for the malachite green.
thanks for all you help everyone. I suppose this is what the forum is greatest for.
Nessa
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29 Jan 2008 12:58 #17
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HI Nessa
Are you running an external? i will explain, over Christmas and the early part of the month i was on top of my head and i got a touch of fin root in one tank to avoid risk i treated the hole tank i keep a note of correct dosage for each tank but this time i did not get the results i expected and silly me forgot that the external added to my liters and i had not added in the extra in my dosage.
Are you running an external? i will explain, over Christmas and the early part of the month i was on top of my head and i got a touch of fin root in one tank to avoid risk i treated the hole tank i keep a note of correct dosage for each tank but this time i did not get the results i expected and silly me forgot that the external added to my liters and i had not added in the extra in my dosage.
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29 Jan 2008 20:21 #18
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nessa a bath will not clear the parasites as they can not be destroyed while attached to the host fish. i have found protozin very effective in clearing the usual parasites without harming the fish. Meth blue and malachite green are harsh and potentially dangerous substances and would probably kill beneficial bacteria and even a slight overdose could be lethal. I dont know the ingrediants in any parasite treatments but i suspect they contain carefully measured amounts of the above. it is vital to shake the bottle well before use.
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30 Jan 2008 00:05 #19
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i have a trade bottle of protozin . on it it says it contains formaldehyde.
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30 Jan 2008 01:06 #20
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I treated with protazin twice double checked the dosage etc and it is just a really nasty strain. I am now treating with contra spot which is formeldahyde and malachite green. I have stripped teh tank and raised the temperature so hopefully this will do the trick.
It was a sad day today we had to have a funeral for the two sharks. I hope that is all I will lose. A hard lesson to learn but from now on I will be quarantining my fish purchses.
Thanks for all your help and advice. I will keep you posted.
Nessa
It was a sad day today we had to have a funeral for the two sharks. I hope that is all I will lose. A hard lesson to learn but from now on I will be quarantining my fish purchses.
Thanks for all your help and advice. I will keep you posted.
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30 Jan 2008 11:41 #21
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You should notify the LFS or whoever you purchased the assailants from to save anyone else the ordeal!!
This strain sounds scary,well it happened with TB so shy not WS,Super WS!!
This is a prime oppertunity for someone to draft up an article on battling WS in different set-ups becasue certain methods will not work in certain set-ups with certain fish, so there is most certainly scope for such an article.
This strain sounds scary,well it happened with TB so shy not WS,Super WS!!
This is a prime oppertunity for someone to draft up an article on battling WS in different set-ups becasue certain methods will not work in certain set-ups with certain fish, so there is most certainly scope for such an article.
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30 Jan 2008 12:15 #22
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I tend to agree with you there Chris, it's hardly fair that everyone who buys fish from there gets the infection as well...
I'm sure I read something along these lines on another forum, seemingly the \"super\" White Spot would appear to be becoming resistant to 'normal' medications...as you say, it sounds scary!!!
I agree with this too, so - someone - get typing!
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You should notify the LFS or whoever you purchased the assailants from to save anyone else the ordeal!!
I tend to agree with you there Chris, it's hardly fair that everyone who buys fish from there gets the infection as well...
This strain sounds scary,well it happened with TB so shy not WS,Super WS!!
I'm sure I read something along these lines on another forum, seemingly the \"super\" White Spot would appear to be becoming resistant to 'normal' medications...as you say, it sounds scary!!!
This is a prime oppertunity for someone to draft up an article on battling WS in different set-ups becasue certain methods will not work in certain set-ups with certain fish, so there is most certainly scope for such an article.
I agree with this too, so - someone - get typing!
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