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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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09 Oct 2008 15:28 #1 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Hi everyone. Ive recently started a community tank and began the cycle with zebra danios. All is well apart from one large danio that is acting strange. It is unable to swim in a straight line or keep itself afloat when it stops swimming. It just sinks to the bottom nose first and has already injured itself doing this. This means it is also unable to feed and tires easily. Its skin seem fine and there is no indication of sickness in the other fish, which are now starting to nip at him when he is lying at the bottom of the tank. This has been going on for a few days now. Anyone any ideas what the problem is? Oh, Ive recently had a spike in ammonia levels which I got under control, and didnt adversley affect some of the smaller danios in the tank.
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09 Oct 2008 15:35 #2 by duzzy1 (Martin Kennedy)
not 100% sure ..... and i may be corrected by someone else pretty soon , but to me it sounds like a swim bladder infection . If this is the case then to the best of my knowledge it can't be treated .

as i say this is just my opinion ..... and i wouldn't class myself as an expert by any means , but it sounds similar to a problem i have had in the past with a tiger oscar

hope this was some help to you

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09 Oct 2008 15:46 #3 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
Hi Viperbot, I had a similar problem back in June with a Zebra Danio when there was a spike in ammonia he was the only one that reacted, he started swimming and then his tail would drop, he couldn't keep a balance, so I removed him to a small quarantine tank, treated for swim bladder, squeezed some garden pea in his tank as food but he barely ate a thing. So i euthanised him humanely rather than see him suffer. It was only a week after putting in some leopard danios as well and they were all perfect and still are
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09 Oct 2008 15:56 #4 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Sounds like ammonia spike probably triggered a secondary infection such as swim bladder. Again highly unlikely her will survive for long in this state,little cure know for this really,or at least few successful methods. He could be gone to far at this stage. I think its a case of quarantining him if possible but if it doesnt improve in the coming few days then you may need to consider what Andrew did. No-one likes doing it and I dont envy you at all. All swim bladder disease can have the opposite effect also to the fish,ie. the fish cant sink and instead keep topsizing if you like.
Seems to be more common amongst fancy bred fish.
Gavin

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09 Oct 2008 17:53 #5 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Thanks for the tips guys. The little fella hasn't eaten in days and is now a target for his tankmates. Hate to say it but Id rather see him dead than live through more of this. This the first time Ive kept fish, and to be honest Ive no idea how to deal with it. Can you guys tell me how to euthanise him in the best way? Don't want to come off as a cruel person, but its heartbreaking watching him flop around.
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09 Oct 2008 18:46 #6 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
Hi, I popped him in a little bag with some of his tank water and put him in the freezer, the onsetting cold would slow down his organs and he would then die, painlessly, Andrew

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09 Oct 2008 18:52 #7 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Thanks for the advice Andrew. It's for the best I suppose. :(

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09 Oct 2008 19:20 - 09 Oct 2008 19:26 #8 by sagwadloup (serge aphanacieff)
Do not put fish in a new tank for the 5 first weeks. :(
Fish are animals, they are alive and awfully expensive in this country.They will die during the tank cycling. It is just like trying to cross a motorway : would we do it, knowing that u have 95 % of chances to die. Even at 30 % of chances to die crossing, a motorway nobody will do the challenge.
Now in a new tank, fishs have e 99.9% of chance to die. We just throw them in ammonia ....

Ammonia is just like chloramine : it is burning everything around. The fish can not breath. Basically, it's like if something was burning your lungs, you are just suffocating. There is no escape...

Fish are living animals. As fishkeepers we must provide them the best conditions in our tanks, and have the knowledge of what they need before to get them.
It's a good idea for an article: may be -how to choose ur fish-:dry:
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09 Oct 2008 19:59 - 09 Oct 2008 20:01 #9 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Ok, PLEASE DONT PUT HIM IN THE FREEZER!
Its not a great way to kill a fish. Imagine it,you shock him to death with cold and his body organs slowly shut down and he dies of extreme cold and organ failure.
There are better ways to kill a fish if needed. Get some clove oil and put it into a small holder of water,(use some of the tank water if you wish in the holder, but DONT put clove oil into the tank). The Clove oil will anesthetize the fish. After this the fish goes into a deep sleep and at that point you can decide what to do then. A high concentration will probably kill the fish,but less will knock it out and you can then perhaps decide to 1. put it in the freezer then or 2. slice the fish's head off with a sharp knife.(not pretty,pluck up the courage,the fish will be motionless from the clove oil.

Indeed no-one wants to do this,its a hard task and takes emotion etc but its all about quality of life for the fish,if there quality is suffering then it may be necessary to intervene. After all,your the owner,its not good for a fish to suffer.

Also if the fish dies while you are out you run the risk of another ammonia spike from the corpse.

Hope this helps.

Gavin
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09 Oct 2008 20:50 #10 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Hi Gavin.Im sorry to say the deed was done before I got to read your reply. Had I known of clove oil I would have opted for putting him to sleep first. Live and learn I guess. Hope I never have to again. Where would I pick up clove oil....just in case?
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09 Oct 2008 20:54 #11 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
sagwadloup wrote:

Do not put fish in a new tank for the 5 first weeks. :(
Fish are animals, they are alive and awfully expensive in this country.They will die during the tank cycling. It is just like trying to cross a motorway : would we do it, knowing that u have 95 % of chances to die. Even at 30 % of chances to die crossing, a motorway nobody will do the challenge.
Now in a new tank, fishs have e 99.9% of chance to die. We just throw them in ammonia ....

Ammonia is just like chloramine : it is burning everything around. The fish can not breath. Basically, it's like if something was burning your lungs, you are just suffocating. There is no escape...

Fish are living animals. As fishkeepers we must provide them the best conditions in our tanks, and have the knowledge of what they need before to get them.
It's a good idea for an article: may be -how to choose ur fish-:dry:

I agree completley man. As for the article thing, thats a great idea.

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09 Oct 2008 20:55 #12 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Most health shops have it I think. Its probably a case of search and find, but Id imagine most health shops should have it.
Tough having to kill the fish but you only sped up the process,the other fish would of done it eventually by biting and bullying. Its survival of the fittest etc, but its better to have a calm tank than a tank that has aggression / bullying going on against the ill fish. Perhaps also you should look at possibilty of getting a quarantine tank,you could get a small tank,something 20 to 30 litres would be more than enough for most smaller community fish. It just gives you an option really should a fish become sick. Especially if there get something like white spot or intestinal bacteria which can spread quickly .

Gavin

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09 Oct 2008 21:00 #13 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Hi,
Gonna set up a small quarantine tank this weekend. Have been meaning to do so from day 1 but funds being the way they are...
It's definately worth having alright, at least I can then try to help them. Thanks again for your time.;)

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09 Oct 2008 21:06 #14 by fourmations (NIall SMyth)
just a thought on euthanizing which is not talked
about in the aquarium world

when i was an angler a sharp blow to the top of the head
between the eyes of a fish would do the deed instantly

i employed this on a tetra that was very poorly
and believe it to be very humane and faster that anything
the fish was dead within 3 seconds of being netted

i know that some would find this hard to do with a loved fish
but personally i feel its more humane and certainly quicker
than drugging it

my 2c

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09 Oct 2008 21:41 #15 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Thanks for the input fourmations. Hehe, came to this forum to learn to look after fish and in the last 12 hours Ive now become a pro fish killer:lol: ....irony.

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09 Oct 2008 23:38 #16 by KenS (Ken Simpson)
Replied by KenS (Ken Simpson) on topic Re:Sick Danio
You can cycle with fish, but you need to be prepared to do very frequent water changes to keep the levels of ammonia and nitrITE low. These changes will be daily in the early stages.

Doing water changes will also prolong the cycle. It's best to do a fishless cycle with an ammonia soure. Use some media from a matured tank if possible as it will significantly speed up the process.

Not putting fish or anything else in a tank for 5 weeks is useless. You need an ammonia source of some kind to cycle a tank.

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