Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)
Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
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as i say this is just my opinion ..... and i wouldn't class myself as an expert by any means , but it sounds similar to a problem i have had in the past with a tiger oscar
hope this was some help to you
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Seems to be more common amongst fancy bred fish.
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Fish are animals, they are alive and awfully expensive in this country.They will die during the tank cycling. It is just like trying to cross a motorway : would we do it, knowing that u have 95 % of chances to die. Even at 30 % of chances to die crossing, a motorway nobody will do the challenge.
Now in a new tank, fishs have e 99.9% of chance to die. We just throw them in ammonia ....
Ammonia is just like chloramine : it is burning everything around. The fish can not breath. Basically, it's like if something was burning your lungs, you are just suffocating. There is no escape...
Fish are living animals. As fishkeepers we must provide them the best conditions in our tanks, and have the knowledge of what they need before to get them.
It's a good idea for an article: may be -how to choose ur fish-

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Its not a great way to kill a fish. Imagine it,you shock him to death with cold and his body organs slowly shut down and he dies of extreme cold and organ failure.
There are better ways to kill a fish if needed. Get some clove oil and put it into a small holder of water,(use some of the tank water if you wish in the holder, but DONT put clove oil into the tank). The Clove oil will anesthetize the fish. After this the fish goes into a deep sleep and at that point you can decide what to do then. A high concentration will probably kill the fish,but less will knock it out and you can then perhaps decide to 1. put it in the freezer then or 2. slice the fish's head off with a sharp knife.(not pretty,pluck up the courage,the fish will be motionless from the clove oil.
Indeed no-one wants to do this,its a hard task and takes emotion etc but its all about quality of life for the fish,if there quality is suffering then it may be necessary to intervene. After all,your the owner,its not good for a fish to suffer.
Also if the fish dies while you are out you run the risk of another ammonia spike from the corpse.
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I agree completley man. As for the article thing, thats a great idea.Do not put fish in a new tank for the 5 first weeks.
Fish are animals, they are alive and awfully expensive in this country.They will die during the tank cycling. It is just like trying to cross a motorway : would we do it, knowing that u have 95 % of chances to die. Even at 30 % of chances to die crossing, a motorway nobody will do the challenge.
Now in a new tank, fishs have e 99.9% of chance to die. We just throw them in ammonia ....
Ammonia is just like chloramine : it is burning everything around. The fish can not breath. Basically, it's like if something was burning your lungs, you are just suffocating. There is no escape...
Fish are living animals. As fishkeepers we must provide them the best conditions in our tanks, and have the knowledge of what they need before to get them.
It's a good idea for an article: may be -how to choose ur fish-
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Tough having to kill the fish but you only sped up the process,the other fish would of done it eventually by biting and bullying. Its survival of the fittest etc, but its better to have a calm tank than a tank that has aggression / bullying going on against the ill fish. Perhaps also you should look at possibilty of getting a quarantine tank,you could get a small tank,something 20 to 30 litres would be more than enough for most smaller community fish. It just gives you an option really should a fish become sick. Especially if there get something like white spot or intestinal bacteria which can spread quickly .
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Gonna set up a small quarantine tank this weekend. Have been meaning to do so from day 1 but funds being the way they are...
It's definately worth having alright, at least I can then try to help them. Thanks again for your time.

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about in the aquarium world
when i was an angler a sharp blow to the top of the head
between the eyes of a fish would do the deed instantly
i employed this on a tetra that was very poorly
and believe it to be very humane and faster that anything
the fish was dead within 3 seconds of being netted
i know that some would find this hard to do with a loved fish
but personally i feel its more humane and certainly quicker
than drugging it
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Doing water changes will also prolong the cycle. It's best to do a fishless cycle with an ammonia soure. Use some media from a matured tank if possible as it will significantly speed up the process.
Not putting fish or anything else in a tank for 5 weeks is useless. You need an ammonia source of some kind to cycle a tank.
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