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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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13 Oct 2008 18:19 #1 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Hi Folks,
Im having lots of problems at present with my south america tank. I seem to be losing fish alot over the past few days. Granted the stock of neons I got were rather poor and I should of inspected them closer as they appears to have something resembling a staining on their skin before they die. However one of my molly is now also sick,and indeed I fear she has a rather nasty looking fungus type disease. My guess is that its not whitespot but rather an internal bateria disease that has now managed to attack the gills as evidenced by this white type of fungus around her gills. Ive taken a pic, her fins are also clamped.



Can someone help me out here please. Ive also lost 3 rummy nose tetras today and a neon for no appearant reason.Water tests are fine.

Gavin

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13 Oct 2008 18:32 #2 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
Hi Gavin,
what treatments do you have available at the moment

Mickey

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13 Oct 2008 18:49 #3 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
To be honest Mickey,Im half resigned to the fact the fish isnt gonna make it at this stage. I have a good few fish in the tank at present and I dont wanna risk introducing meds to the tank at the moment. I dont have the quarantine tank set up and a few months ago another molly had a similar illness and she died despite giving her meds and putting her quarantine.
The meds I have are limited.

White spot cure from api.
Melafix from api
Anti internal bacteria no 9.

Ive stress coats and all that but they aint gonna do anything for this fish.
I am going to do a 20% water change also.
Any advise?

Gavin

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13 Oct 2008 19:16 #4 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Just saw another neon looking bad. Here is a picture of the neon. If you look carefully at the picture you can see that the fish's scales are very strange.Its like a whitish stain,almost like a blister but its not raised.
Any ideas.

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13 Oct 2008 19:40 #5 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
Hi Gavin,
I would suggest since there is no other alternative and my last choice that you use a mixture of tank water and oil of cloves on the molly. sad but this is one of the times were one must but the majority first. i think you will have to treat the tank. by not treating it you are just going to slowly lose your stock.

but if you try salt(marine tonic) first 1 teaspoon per five gallons of water

if you know a vet who can get Tetracycline might help
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13 Oct 2008 19:59 #6 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Thanks Mickey,
What do you think is wrong with the tank ? Im baffled by the strange appearance on the neons. I havent come across this before and Im worried my Golden Ram will get sick who is a real beaut but Im afraid he will be the next to get sick altho he is flying it at the moment. Presently after doing a 20% water change. Neon and Molly both removed.
Gavin

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13 Oct 2008 20:26 #7 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
hi Gavin,
i think it is parasite but you may have introduced a bacteria which is now taking advantage of this.

the fish seem to be effected differently looking at the pictures. my first idea was Trichodina but if your water is ok than i would discount this.

but considrering most freash water parasite do not like salt this is a good first attack.

pm sent

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15 Oct 2008 21:38 #8 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
Hi Gavin,
How are things going now!
Mickey

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15 Oct 2008 22:42 #9 by arabesque (Mick Veale)
Replied by arabesque (Mick Veale) on topic Re:Sick fish
looks like neon tetra disease... google it for more info.. typing on an iPhone ... slow. esha 2000 treatment will help. again look it up. stress coat isreally just to make tap water safe ..

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16 Oct 2008 09:54 #10 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Arabesque thank you, I think you have hit the nail on the head here. I was so enthralled by it that my Rummys were also passing away that I didnt think they the problem was with the neons initially. I think this is exactly what is wrong with my tank. The molly that passed away I think was just a secondary infection or something,I dont belive it was linked as the other 2 molly fish are perfect,also my Golden Ram is fine and my 2 corys are fine. Only fish appearing to be effected are rummy nose tetras and neons. I think it is certainly Neon tetra disease,the white appearance/internal look seems to be exactly in line with my fish,also they rot v rapildly when they die,another symptom of the disease.
What advise would you recommend now. Should I remove the remaining tetras,they dont appear to be sick this morning,I noticed the last few were isolated and showed the white discolouration rather quickly. The remaining fish dont that at present but they may well be sick when I go home this evening.
Im just afraid Ill lose my Ram!
Gavin

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16 Oct 2008 11:20 - 16 Oct 2008 11:59 #11 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
Hi Gavin,
Esha 2000 is an excellent choice of meds. i always have a bottle on hand. stress coat a little extra is good it helps sod open wounds etc

Neon tetra would be on my list of possibilitys but if it is?

Pleistophora hyphessobryconis effects neon tertas it may also effect
Most Tetras
Many Danios (including White Clouds)
Angelfish

there some others but i forget of hand.

i dont remember it been mentioned in relation to mollys but like i say i can't remember them all.

if it is you will need to remove any food waste waste in general as it can be passed on in this way.
Met blue baths once or twice a day

Columnaris False Neon Tetra Disease: the problem is caused by a bacterial infection and will need antibiotic treatment. do others may have other suggestions.

mickey
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16 Oct 2008 12:16 #12 by organicsteve (steve whiteside)
Hi Gavin,

Sorry to hear your fish are in trouble!

Mickey is right about esha 2000. It really is a good product.

I'm going to take a slightly different approach in advising you here though.

Regardless of what type of parasite or bacteria we are talking about, the end result is that your fish have it.

Looking holistically at the problem I would suggest that using Organic Aqua Health Treatment in your main tank would be of serious advantage not only in helping your sick guys to recover but also as a preventitive course of action to stop the rest of your stock getting it.

I know it seems like shameless promotion of this product but, and I know Mickey will back me up here, it really does work in a nearly magical way! Seriously. I have been in this business for nearly 20years and for the first 15 of those I was limited to traditional methods and chemical treatments. It was ok I suppose but then along came this wonder product and 5years on it still continues to amaze both me and anyone who tries it.

As mentioned in another thread, you can get it beside the Kinsale Road roundabout.

Hope this helps, please contact me with any queries you may have for me and I hope your prized Ram pulls through!!!

Cheers,

Steve

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16 Oct 2008 12:26 #13 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
yes i would agree that it would be of help!

And i do think it is Good value one gram treats about 15 liters of water ( well i dose it that way )

but Steve will give you the correct dosage rate i am sure!
Mickey

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16 Oct 2008 13:17 #14 by organicsteve (steve whiteside)
Well I usually recommend 1gram per 2.5 litres in fresh and 1gram per 1.25 litres for marine but you obviously have seen great benefit even underdosing Mickey!

If a fish is sick I usually recommend checking all the usual things (equipment working properly, water tests (pH etc.), temperature, social issues etc.) putting the temperature up a bit and double-dosing with the Health Treatment (or single dosing if not already an Organic system).

One 1kg tub of Health Treatment retails for around €35 and treats 2,500l fresh / 1250l marine so works out at 0.014cent per litre (€1.40 for a 100l tank!) and can be used as a stand alone product or for real benefit it is recommended to use in conjunction with General Treatment and BBAC to help control your water.

Cheers,

Steve

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16 Oct 2008 13:39 #15 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Sounds good. So how is it so benefical to the fish, is it natural occuring product ? Does it effect the fish,will it effect my water?
Also can you buy smaller bottles.ie. €35 for a product Ive never tested etc is expensive.
Im relatively new to the hobby,or at least new to the stage that Im serious about keeping the fish in the best condition.So I appreciate all the help Im getting here from members who have experience.

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16 Oct 2008 14:04 #16 by organicsteve (steve whiteside)
Health Treatment contains various plant extracts and minerals that when combined boost the fishes immune system causing them to fight off illness much better than most conventional methods.

It will not affect your water in any way.

If you would like to try a smaller sample of the stuff please pm me and I will be happy to oblige.

Cheers,

Steve

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16 Oct 2008 19:59 #17 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
If I start using this treatment and then decide to stop using it,are my fish going to decline in health then? Will my tank decline then?

Gavin

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