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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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13 Nov 2008 23:43 #1 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
Help needed.
In 2 of my tanks fish have developed what a white bit on their mouth, just like they kissed concrete. I thave throughly tested these tanks over the last few days and have seen nothing strange. I've only added some homemade coconut caves recently into 3 tanks.

60 ltr tank
1 juvenile male SFF - he was the first to have this white kiss and moved in a listless fashion so I euthanized him yesterday.
5 young females SFF - 1 died this morning, she had been sitting on t substrate quite a bit but did not appear uneasy.
1 adult male SFF - all okay - looking great fins are in great shape
had 5 WCMM ( 3 are golden) = all look okay, but fin tips are showing stronger colouraation
4 panday cory = all ok

120 ltr tank
3 leopard danio (1 female had been staying in the corner near the surface and only sometimes swam around with the others (found her last night floating on surface (not all colouration had gone and showed no signs of this white kiss
2 zebra danio = 1 is showing signs of this white kiss.

SFF fry tsnk appears fine

70 ltr soft n slow = all normal

Please help/advise further
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13 Nov 2008 23:45 #2 by karlo (karlo kennedy)
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this might seem strange but it could be fin rot

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13 Nov 2008 23:47 #3 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
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really
what is cause and affect?
what can i do to treat this?

I am perplexed as all tanks water tests are okay.

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13 Nov 2008 23:51 #4 by karlo (karlo kennedy)
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freshaquarium.about.com/cs/disease/p/finrot.htm

this will tell you better then i could word it lol

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13 Nov 2008 23:58 #5 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
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thanks I'll get reading and treating

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14 Nov 2008 00:23 #6 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
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i guess though i still have to figure out the root cause

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14 Nov 2008 00:30 #7 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
have to disagree with sol_ja_boy, think it is more likely to be Fungus, Columnarius (Mouth fungus),If you see this disease, can use medication (ie "Anti Fungus") and a Salt bath (1 teaspoon per gallon)

heres a link to add to your fav's for the future
www.tropicalfishcentre.co.uk/Diseases1.htm
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14 Nov 2008 00:39 #8 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
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nice one seamus, "my fish fun" favourites folder is now massive
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14 Nov 2008 00:45 #9 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
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okay, so the salt bath sounds good to me - doesn't harm the bacteria in my tank - like the addition of anti-fungal medication could do.

any "how to guides" for the salt bath remedy out there ?

also what could the root cause be? the coconut caves :S

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14 Nov 2008 00:57 #10 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
ideally if you have a quarentine tank to isolate affected fish, for the salt bath use a bucket kept only for this treatment and a net for this alone (dont want to cause cross contamination), add tank water to bucket temp is fine then, add salt at 1 teaspoon per gallon, stir well to dilute salt then add fish infected for about 10 mins and return to quarentine tank of medicated freshwater, if not medicate full tank with anti fungus medication
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14 Nov 2008 01:31 #11 by serratus (Drew Latimer)
Hi Andrew, yes i agree with sheag sounds like columnarius, salt will help, im off this wkd but talk to Ian n he will sort it out, very common problem with livebearers!!
I would never put "foreign objects" in an aquarium, if you do, i would be very careful..may not be the reason but....

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14 Nov 2008 05:39 #12 by Xeon (ioan micu)
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Hi Andrew

A few hints to keep your bettas healthy.
Try to keep them at a stabile temperature above 24°C
If you are using a heater try to cover the tank so you won't have a big diference between the water temp and the air temp above.
Add some aquarium salt to their water.
The rest I think u kind of know.

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15 Nov 2008 00:42 #13 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
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ok I have cleaned a tank and will get the medication tomorrow for anti-fungus (luckily for me i got free 18"10"12" tank last Monday but that's another story for another day)

there are now 3 fish infected from 2 different tanks - 2 SFF(male & female) & 1 danio

1. Can/should I put them all in together in the salt bath for 10 minutes ?

2. How long do I leave them in their quarantine tank for?

3. What do I do about the tanks I removed the fish from, should I do total clean or >50% water changes?


I have removed the coconut caves (it was fun making them last week, even more fun trapsing around shops after halloween trying to find some!)

Anyone know where to get some small terracotta plant pots from?

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15 Nov 2008 00:52 #14 by Valerie (Valerie)
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Andrew wrote:

Anyone know where to get some small terracotta plant pots from?


I get mine in my local garden centre. Though it's a smallish shop, it has tiny pots too. I boil and brush them before I put them in the tank.

Hope this helps.
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15 Nov 2008 01:45 #15 by derek (Derek Doyle)
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andrew
coconut shells should not cause any problems. i have used them for years as they make ideal caves for resting or breeding fish. just clean out the shells and rub off most of the hairs with sandpaper and then scald them and they are ready for use.
all affected fish can be given salt bath together and returned to tank.
small quantitys of tonic or cooking salt can be safely added to most tanks to the benefit of all occupants. i have always added 1 teasp. salt per 10 gal to angel and most other fry tanks as a tonic. (not corys or malawis)
just one other point. fish sometimes get white lips from jaw locking and if this is the case they heal up quickly.

30 tanks specialise in african cichlids, angelfish and various catfish

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15 Nov 2008 07:57 #16 by Loggser (Loggser)
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Good luck with the treatment.

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15 Nov 2008 10:21 #17 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
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Thanks Derek, I am off ot get the anti-fungal treatment now so hopefully they will all be on the mend soon
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22 Nov 2008 23:41 #18 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
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so it's 1 week on and the hospital tank has i hope worked it's wonders the danios look healthy and I may return them to the 120 to keep a male SFF company

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23 Nov 2008 00:15 #19 by Orca (Eoin Walsh)
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Good to hear that your fish are getting better.I did not think that danios could be put in the same tank as SFF.Might the danios not nip the SFF.

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23 Nov 2008 00:32 #20 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
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yeah maybe you're right, they are of the excitable type and would alienate the rather timid SFF, anyone got an opinion on this ?

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23 Nov 2008 00:42 #21 by Orca (Eoin Walsh)
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I could be wrong on this but i think i read something about it.One of the more experienced fish keepers could give you more info.

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24 Nov 2008 22:10 #22 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
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i had a real good long look at the danios this morning and the only one that showedvisible signs of infection still has a bit on his mouth.

They are still in the hospital tank and I stopped the treatment after 6 days so I guess it could be more of a bacterial infection but am not sure.

Should I risk putting them back in the tank (future species tank - still toying with what is going in there)

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24 Nov 2008 23:30 #23 by Valerie (Valerie)
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No, if you still see signs of the illness, I wouldn't attempt to put these back into the main tank. You run the risk of infecting the other fish or even the tank for the next inhabitants, depending on what it is.
I would restart/continue the treatment until no visible signs of illness and then keep them isolated in quarantine for a few weeks to be sure, to be sure! :-)

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24 Nov 2008 23:34 #24 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
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thanks Valerie, i'll keep them confined and get the ward doctor to administer the iv drugs stat !!

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24 Nov 2008 23:37 - 03 Dec 2008 16:15 #25 by Valerie (Valerie)
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:laugh: :laugh:
Last edit: 03 Dec 2008 16:15 by Valerie (Valerie).

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03 Dec 2008 15:31 #26 by Andrew (Andrew Taaffe)
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okay the Danios are looking like the ward doctor can give them a clean bill of health and send them on their way, hopefully no MRSA exists in my hospital :P

As the tank has been receiving doses of medicine for the last 2 weeks, what do I do now about cleansing it? the reason being is that I'd l;ike to change my current hospital into a breeder and vice versa.

I guess i need to empty all water from hospital tank, clean filter and sponges in water from a cycled tank, put some cycled water into the hospital tank, let it cycle for a few days, change 20% or more of water each day and then I can put switch all contents around, i.e. breeder water and filter into the former hospital. So then the current "Infectiouos Diseases & Tropical Medicine Ward" gets a refit and becomes the all new "Maternity and Paediatrics Ward", see i have been paying attention to ER.

All advices are most welcome.

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03 Dec 2008 15:35 #27 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Put some carbon into the filter,it will remove the medications.
Id do a water change also if your in no rush to use the tank.Maybe someone else will let you know whether to do partial changes or one whole change.Id imagine partial changes would suffice?
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