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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

value of quarantine

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22 Dec 2008 19:22 #1 by derek (Derek Doyle)
Quarantine all newly purchased fish before introduction to an established tank. Every new fish is a potential time bomb. In particular look out for signs of whitespot and the more dangerous and harder to detect velvet.

Apart from the very early days, in 30 years i have never had a bad case of whitespot or velvet on softwater tropicals, because i always isolate and pre treat any new arrivals with protozin for at least 72 hours.
i did have a velvet type problem with some newly imported africans a few years ago which caught me by surprise, but it soon cleared with correct treatment.
Velvet can afflict africans to some extent but the hard water type conditions prevent it from getting a real grip and sometimes the parasites will die off without treatment.
It is harder to detect on africans for above reasons and can linger on for ages untreated.
The gills esp. can be irreparately damaged by bad or long term infestation.
Whitespot and velvet are tiny parasitic crustacaens and if tackled quickly should not actually kill any healthy fish.
Some species are more prone to attack, esp. the scaleless clown loach, tetras, danios and the salt reliant mollies, and newly imported rams seem to always arrive with a dose.
velvet can occasionally travel undetected in the gills of loricarids.
Just remember their 72 hours cycle and 1 pest can become 1000 in this period and they can only be killed when freeswimming.
Anyway the good news is that with a little care and observation at the start we should'nt have to unduly worry about these pests, they could even be compared to fleas or ticks on humans, "easily treated and eliminated when detected and identified".

30 tanks specialise in african cichlids, angelfish and various catfish

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22 Dec 2008 19:39 #2 by tm2204 (Thomas Maguire)
Nice post.

One question; is Protozin the best product to use for white spot/velvet treatment?


Cheers,
:)

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22 Dec 2008 19:52 #3 by derek (Derek Doyle)
i trust it because it's bio degradeable. but there are probably other equally good brands.

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22 Dec 2008 23:14 #4 by derek (Derek Doyle)
i forgot to mention clown loach, botias and a few other species are adversely affected by some med. brands so make sure to read instructions on bottle before use.

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23 Dec 2008 02:11 #5 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
Unfortunately most people myself included do not understand the true value of quarantine until they have experienced a disater. When you only have one tank and the choice between getting another small one to act as a Q tank or you could buy those new fish that just caught your eye it takes will power to go for the tank! It is easier when you have a load of tanks to keep one or two for Q purposes, but even then you can get a bit lazy or make teh fatal mixtake after a few days and think, ah he looks grand - into the main tank...

I am sure plenty of members here will have experienced or know someone who has done seriously livestock damage with a new fish that was not quartantined properly.

Daragh

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23 Dec 2008 14:52 - 25 Dec 2008 12:04 #6 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re:value of quarantine
In an ideal world we shouldn't have to Quarantine any new fish, this having been done before they ever reach the 'for sale' tanks - but we aren't living in an ideal world, more's the pity!!!
Of course this would result in Fish being a little more expensive to buy but, I shall say this again, a Fish which dies is much more expensive!!! (Last time I said that here I made myself unpopular - what, me???).

John

Location:
N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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It's a long way to Tipperary.
Last edit: 25 Dec 2008 12:04 by JohnH (John). Reason: reduced emphasis

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23 Dec 2008 16:40 #7 by derek (Derek Doyle)
i agree with your sentiment john. but even after good Qtine fish can come down with parasites and some less obvious disorders due to stress caused by catching, bagging, transportation and introduction to a usually hostile new home.

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23 Dec 2008 17:21 #8 by LimerickBandit (Donal Doran)
I agree with Derek on his above point,
I picked up 6 clown loaches yesterday and they had been in the shop for the past month and looked in great health they were ordered in for me and kept in a tank in 1 of our sponsors shops that was only for my fish
I put them in my tank and they had whitespot within 2 hours
Ill have a quarantine tank setup straight after Christmas ;)

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25 Dec 2008 12:27 #9 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re:value of quarantine
I fear my post might have been a little misleading...due to my having deleted a couple of sentences it now can be somewhat easily misunderstood.

I really wasn't referring to comparatively easily-cured diseases like white spot - my largest concern is for things like internal bacteria and parasites, many of which can only be eradicated by hard-to-get, or even unobtainable without prescription antibiotics.

But I fear mine is a lone voice - in the absence of proper quarantining from the importers then quarantine tanks are an absolute "must" for everyone, I agree wholeheartedly with Derek there. This does raise a further question, though: when infected fish die in our quarantine tanks should that be then a case of "tough luck"? - Not all shops will replace or give refunds for recently bought fish which don't survive.
John

Location:
N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


ITFS member.



It's a long way to Tipperary.

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