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Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
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25 Jan 2009 23:04 #1
by gerryberry (Jeff Daly)
Anyone know if it is possible to naturally lower a ph level of a tank. Currently at 8.5,looking to drop this to 7.5 or below. i don't want to use buffers if i can get away with it, i know bogwood will natural lower it but i don,t know if it will drop the pH by that much.
i think i heard or read somewhere that you can get a peat type filter system, anyone heard of such a think or should i start taking my medication again:blush:
Cheers
GB
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26 Jan 2009 02:05 #2
by JohnH (John)
A smallish amount of Tannic Acid will leach from Bogwood but unless you have a small tank and a lot of wood the effect is negligible. If your water was already on the acid side
(pH below neutral - 7) which yours isn't, but at a lower pH level something even as slight as Bogwood could start off a 'pH crash', but you needn't be worrying about that.
You can achieve a very gradual pH reduction by using a very fine 'sock' - something like a ladies popsock, if such items are still available - filled with Aquarium Peat inside a filter, but once again starting from 8.5 it would take a long time even so. I prefer the Peat Granules like those produced by Sera for one as they are much less messy than the garden-type peat I used to use.
pH reduction can also be brought about with Acid such as Hydrochloric or Phosphoric but this stuff is dangerous and could prove fatal if misused, not only for the fish either - so I would caution against the use of that. It must always be remembered that acid, especially neat, must always be added to water. Under NO circumstances must water be added to acid - this would cause a really dangerous reaction which could see the person doing it very badly burned at the very least! All in all the acid route should not really even be considered!!!
There is stuff - pH Down which is supposed to drop the pH of the water to a given amount but I never found it to be of any use at all. All it ever achieved for me was to make the water extremely cloudy (which is supposed to clear after a while - the only way I got the water to clear was to empty it out and start again).
You could consider doing your water changes with filtered rainwater - which should really not be collected until the rain has been falling for approximately 30 minutes. This is something I use myself, but once again you really need to monitor your pH and don't let it drop too suddenly - slow and easy is the way to do any change in water composition.
HTH
John
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26 Jan 2009 15:28 #3
by derek (Derek Doyle)
great answer john. i would fully agree with every thing u wrote esp. that ph down stuff which i also found to be useless.
although i had to ask my wife what a ladies popmusic sock was and she told me they were socks used by fat old ladies:laugh: .and that explains how i knew nothing about them.

gerry. the only thing i would add is, it is easy to raise ph and hardness but hard to lower either. and as fluctuating water values are not good for the fish the only really safe way to lower ph etc. is to use an ro unit or deioniser. (nowadays, these are quite cheap)
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26 Jan 2009 18:57 #4
by gerryberry (Jeff Daly)
Cheers John and Derek a very clear and informative answer;) will have a think and maybe a root around my missus draws to see if she has anything that ressembles a popsock, hope i don;t get caught:laugh:
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27 Jan 2009 00:58 #5
by JohnH (John)
The foot section of a discarded pair of tights or stockings (oops, showing my age there - again!!!) would be just as good, but as Derek suggests you might want to look into setting up a water treatment 'plant' such as an RO or DI - especially if you intend 'expanding' at any point in the future.
Some LFSs sell RO water which might be another option to consider.
My RO definitely drops the pH considerably...even though it does creep back up somewhat after being allowed to stand for 24 hours.
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