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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

When Thermometers lie.....

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18 Feb 2009 11:38 - 18 Feb 2009 11:49 #1 by Damian_Ireland (Damian_Ireland)
Bought a new thermometer and 10 rummy nose tetras from a petshop on saturday. Noticed on Monday night that there were 3 dead rummys and the temp was 34.7 and i nearly had a heart attack. Did a 20% water change and turned off the heater.
Next morning temp was at 31.1 which was okish as I usually keep it at 30.
When I got home 3 of my cardinals where dead and 2 more rummys...... Could'nt work out what was going on as temp was 29.5... Put my hand in the tank and thought the water felt very cold for 29.5
Got out my old thermometer and put it in the tank and it read 24...... F**K
My discus had gone pale and was acting weird........ Turned the temp back up and 1 have one theremometer reading 29(correct) and the other reading 34.....
Stupid crappy new thermometer... Not a happy camper.....I will be contacting the fish shop today
Last edit: 18 Feb 2009 11:49 by Damian_Ireland (Damian_Ireland).

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18 Feb 2009 12:24 #2 by lampeye (lampeye)
if its the cheap glass ones with a suction cup...yeas they do vary, not normally by that much though!
the last time i got them i got 5 , added them all to the tank, 3 werer the same two were one degree wrong each way!

lampeye

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18 Feb 2009 12:38 #3 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Yeah they do vary unfortunately, not by that much I would of thought. A degree or so is about right. I generally run 2 on my tanks also. I have one electronic one and another standard glass one with the suction cups and to be honest i find them good, but again I compare them against one another before deciding if they are alright. I know what you mean though,you must be v annoyed to lose fish because of that.

Gavin

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18 Feb 2009 13:44 #4 by Damian_Ireland (Damian_Ireland)
Nope. Its one of those digital thermometer

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18 Feb 2009 16:23 #5 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Ive had that experience also. Personally I go with the glass thermometers over the digital. Ive a digital one and it can fluctate up and down whilst the glass thermometer is fairly static.
I use both of them, but I always take the glass one over the digitial. If you've bought it in a LFS I would certainly call up to them and explain the position. Id be pissed off if I lost some fish due to a faulty product.

Gavin

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18 Feb 2009 20:43 #6 by JohnH (John)
An almost disastrous way to learn a lesson, I'm pleased you got away so lightly - bet you are too.

I once worked in a shop (in another lifetime now) and I remember a box of thermometers being delivered and just for the hell of it I took them all out and compared them - not one read the same! And there was a temperature differential of almost 10degf between the highest and lowest ones! They were all in the same box in the same room at a constant temperature too. Reminds me of another shop I was in where a box of Car Compasses arrived, I laid them all out on the shop counter and not one showed North to be where it actually was!...and that was long before the less-than-reliable stuff started appearing from China too!

John

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N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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It's a long way to Tipperary.

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18 Feb 2009 22:04 #7 by cardinal (Lar Savage)
Hi Damian
I'm with Gavin on this I'd stick with the glass ones,they are cheap enough to have a couple around the tank if you want,plus there's no chance of water getting into the battery compartment and leeching chemicals back into the tank.Tho I sometimes see a digital one advertised in maplins which looks impressive,It sits outside the tank and you place a probe into the tank, has anyone ever used one ...?

Lar

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18 Feb 2009 22:15 - 18 Feb 2009 22:17 #8 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Thats the one I have Lar, the main thermo display is on a sucker outside the glass,with the actual probe attached to a wire that sits inside the tank also on a sucker. It an easy system to work and the batteries actually last ages, you can turn it on and off if you wish, I just leave mine on constantly. It can switch from fahenheight to celius.
At present the tank I have it in says 27.2c, while the glass one comes in just under 28c. So I think that diffence isnt too bad, I find a degree here or there isnt too bad, but certainly wouldnt want any bigger of a difference.

Gavin
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18 Feb 2009 22:20 #9 by cardinal (Lar Savage)
Sure.... I may pick one up next time I'm up maplins way :woohoo: another gadget :laugh: :laugh:

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18 Feb 2009 22:23 #10 by duzzy1 (Martin Kennedy)
i have one of them ....... well worth the money ... the high and low alarm is very handy too

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18 Feb 2009 22:25 #11 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Mine has no alarm, the firestation down the road wakes me up often enough!

Gavin

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18 Feb 2009 22:35 #12 by duzzy1 (Martin Kennedy)
believe me i know that feelin ..... try livin next door to the a&e department of a hospital for 8 years

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18 Feb 2009 22:38 #13 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)

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19 Feb 2009 00:55 #14 by Puggy (Fergus Cooke)
I know its slightly off topic here but 29 degrees! Mines at 24 to 25, is it low?

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19 Feb 2009 01:24 #15 by serratus (Drew Latimer)
Hi Damien, just read this, temp. should not make a lot of difference...fish are VERY adaptable....TRUST ME ON THIS!!! Water quality is SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT... what are you params? Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate & PH? I serously doubt its temp. that killed them...IMO...
Yes discus etc. should be at 28-32oC, but they will live at much lower temps. for short periods of time...
Please post up TODAYS test results as stated above..

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19 Feb 2009 16:28 #16 by Damian_Ireland (Damian_Ireland)
All is back to normal now. No more floaters. I dont think the drop in temp caused all the deaths but it did cause the death of the 3 cardinals. The rummys that died were all new ones which i believe were not healthy to start with.
I have not had a death in the tank for about 6 months, so , yes, i blame the drop of 6 degrees caused by the false reading for the deaths of the 3 cardinals and possibly the other rummys..

p.s. I did not buy the thermometer from Aquatic Village.

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