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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

who uses de-chlorinate

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12 Feb 2010 16:40 #1 by convict84 (sean farrell)
hi,i always use this stuff,now i was talking to a few fellow fish keepers in the uk some with 30 years of fishkeeping behind them,most dont de chlorinate and never had any trouble at all with filters ect..,i read some where that the chlorine burns the inside of the gills of the fish,but if people are doing this for over 30 years with no problums what do you think

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12 Feb 2010 16:57 #2 by irishfirepics (Dennis Prior)
you would really want to know your water supply, some people have wells which would be fairly pure. but for the price of the stuff i'd rather the peace of mind. some people use the pond decloranator because you can get a large bottle of it and its not as expensive as the likes of nutrafin or you get a larger bottle for the same price, i think there was a decussion on here not too long ago. i use ro water now i dont have fresh water setup anymore all marine but i always used decloranator in my fresh water setup.

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12 Feb 2010 18:26 #3 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Personally I wont put a drop of the water that comes out of the tap here in Dublin into a tank without a dechlorinator. Seriously, if I run the tap at high pressure into the bucket whilst doing my wc's I can smell the chlorine gas escaping and it reeks of it. Stress Coat all the way...

Jay

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12 Feb 2010 19:33 #4 by PetCoLongMileRoad (Drew Latimer)
i, like jay wouldn't touch tap water without using de-chlorinator ha sure i won't even drink the stuff since it has snowed i simply dont trust it anymore i use Prime its great stuff 5ml treats 200 litres of water!!!!!!!:)

If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up.

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12 Feb 2010 22:30 #5 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
I'm from the UK, and I've always used dechlorinators for years (longer than 30 for certain).

I'd also say that most people from the UK would use dechlorinators.

And some people will tell you anything. That is not to say that they never, in reality, have any problems.

The need would depend upon your water supply. If your water supply uses chloramines then it is not just chlorine that is the problem, but the additional problem of ammonia is also there.
Most dechloribators on the market tend to take care of the chloramines.
If the water contains simpler sources of chlorine, then standing the water for a day or two and filtration over activated carbon will tend to render the water useable without a dechlorinator....but you can't use that method for chloramines.

Also, I like the added vitamin B1 in a well known blue brand of dechlorinator that gives some added benefit.
I don't, however, always use dechlorinator for small water changes.

ian

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12 Feb 2010 23:28 #6 by gardoyle27 (Gareth Doyle)
there is a good saying for this convict,

"opinions are like A**holes, everyone has one but most peoples stink"

use it if it puts yer mind at ease, since all the snow you can really smell the chlorine when ya turn on the tap. i don't know where ya are based but better safe than sorry!

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12 Feb 2010 23:35 #7 by mig (Meadbh Gaughan)
Hi. I forgot to dechlorinate the water after a water change a few months ago and a few of my fish got sick and i lost one of my apistos. It took me a while to figure out what was rong. I would definatly recomend removing the chlorine as my tap water wouldnt have huge amounts of chlorine in it.

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12 Feb 2010 23:41 #8 by Acara (Dave Walters)
I can only echo what has been said already,if you have hundreds(or thousands)of euro of fish,why risk it for the sake of a few quid on a bottle of dechlorinator?As far as I know,dechlorinator has never killed any fish,chlorine,chloramines,etc,etc have.

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13 Feb 2010 01:00 #9 by houseofmil (Martin Bromell)
I posted a query about a bacteria blooom awhile back you should read it.
i have to go along with all the others and strongly recomend that use a de-chorinate i have moved over to prime lately and swear by it thank never looked so good and fish are healty.
Martin

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13 Feb 2010 01:53 #10 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
As mentioned above chlorine can be dealt with without additives but chloramine cant.
You dont know when there is going to be chloramine added to the water so why take the risk of not using a dechlorinator.

The management of water in this country is not great and all parameters have to be within a certain range to be safe for human consumption. So they do what they can to clean it up that includes using chlorine and chloramine (chlorine & ammonia).
If i remember correctly the EU had Ireland up for bad water last December, last October ....etc...etc..
Since the sprinkling of snow we had the water has been pretty bad and they recon it will be another 3 months before they are back on track with the water supply.

So i think if there was ever a time to use a good dechlorinator it is now.

I was looking for the post houseofmil was talking about but i cant find it.

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13 Feb 2010 02:00 #11 by JohnH (John)

"I was looking for the post houseofmil was talking about but i cant find it".



I think this is it:

www.irishfishkeepers.com/cms/component/o...mit,10/limitstart,0/

John

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N. Tipp

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13 Feb 2010 02:12 #12 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
That's the one JH. cheers for finding it.
Unfortunately there is a hole in the tread. Someone pulled a tread.

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13 Feb 2010 02:23 #13 by houseofmil (Martin Bromell)
platty its called bacteria bloom? its in beginers section hope this helps, Martin

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13 Feb 2010 14:22 #14 by Nozebleed (Anders Van Cranlers)
i dont use it. although i dont see why you shouldn't its not gona do any harm. but it is expensive in my opinion. you could by a chorine test kit instead!

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13 Feb 2010 14:50 #15 by Ma (mm mm)
i use stress to nuke heavy metals, not too worried about low amounts or chlorine, some parts of dublins water is saturated with chlorine and it is a simple matter of parts per mil, we can drink the water, but if you were the size of a fish i doubt you could take such a concentration.

Mark

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13 Feb 2010 22:07 #16 by wolfsburg (wolfsburg)
Replied by wolfsburg (wolfsburg) on topic Re:who uses de-chlorinate
On a similar note I did a water change in 2 of my tanks yesterday and since then I have lost 2 of my 3 rosy barbs from one of the tanks. The last surviving barb was discovered tonight being carried about by the flow of the filter, gasping for air. I immediatley put him in the big tank that hasn't had a water change in a few weeks.

All the other species of fish in the 2 tanks are fine as ever. I'm guessing its down to the water change yesterday, but why hs it only effected one species out of 6?

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14 Feb 2010 00:10 #17 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Mark. wrote:

i use stress to nuke heavy metals, not too worried about low amounts or chlorine, some parts of dublins water is saturated with chlorine and it is a simple matter of parts per mil, we can drink the water, but if you were the size of a fish i doubt you could take such a concentration.

Mark


Whilst its true a small amount of chlorine may not kill the fish directly, I would be more worried about it killing of the nitrogenous bacteria that have colonised the filter and surfaces in the tank. Even if it didnt completely wipe them out, it may very well kill enough of them to cause an ammonia spike or evem have to begin a new cycle. This happened to me once a good while back after I filled a bucket for a wc and got distracted, came back and emtied it into a small tank without declorinator and had to start from scratch. Yet another lesson learned the hard way...

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14 Feb 2010 00:31 #18 by Ma (mm mm)
the filter does indeed suffer, my tap water is laced with it and a shed load of it in my tank would certainly cause an issue as the tank is near stock limit so i have little room for probs, and untreated water would def cause me deaths.


As always sound info jay., chlorine bad for bacteria, heavy metals such as copper ect bad for fish, lethal to some types and inverts

Mark

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14 Feb 2010 00:39 #19 by Ma (mm mm)
does flouride affect fish at all?

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14 Feb 2010 08:06 #20 by cardinal (Lar Savage)

does flouride affect fish at all?


hi Mark
I'm open to correction on this,but as far as I'm aware it wouldn't have much of an effect in the quantity's that are present in tap water.

RE Stress coat - I myself use it and I seem to remember reading on the MSDS sheet that you shouldn't all the product "escape into the ground water or other waterway systems"
tho I think this is more of a standard warning on MSDS ,also I can recall when a "superstore" type of pet shop opened near me that the staff used to add around 15-20 ml (possibly more) of stresscoat to the bag in which a fish was to be transported..:ohmy: A quiet word was had with the manager and as far as I know this is now no longer standard practice.

Lar

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14 Feb 2010 09:01 #21 by Ma (mm mm)
Lar i would agree, but this does depend on the state of your tap water, osmosis and added chemicals. Unfortunatley there is no standard in this country regarding tap water, it varies hugely from place to place, with a lot of crap coming from rusting water pipes dirt ect. Optimum water qualit and i would say you could easily get away with just adding it, but i certainly put 5 ml of stress per 10 liters for my cherry shrimp. I would advise anyone reading to not take what is on here as scientific facts and researvh multiple resourses as usual. I am no xpert and really put ? After what saay.:)

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14 Feb 2010 14:45 - 14 Feb 2010 14:54 #22 by Ma (mm mm)
to counter my own post, i forgot, i had definately accidentially put 20 litres of untreated water into my shrimp tank, corys raindows ottos and damios in there too. No deaths no spikes no probs at all. Just fyi.
I am not advising anyone do this.
Mark

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