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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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06 Jan 2016 21:24 #1 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
Hi all ,
I picked up 2 males and 1 female last week to add to my 2 females. I added a couple of spawn mops the other day and picked out 10 eggs this evening. I have them in a small tub with an inch of water floating in the parents tank. I've never seen eggs so small. Now if/when they hatch what would you recommend feeding them ? I only have liquifry and micro worms which I reckon will be to big. Would a squeeze from a sponge filter suffice for a few days until big enough for the worms ?
The next batch of eggs im going to leave on moist peat and see which method is better

Thanks Eric

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06 Jan 2016 22:19 - 06 Jan 2016 22:57 #2 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Epiplatys annulatus
You are right Eric, the Annulatus fry are indeed tiny.
I have used infusoria - particularly Paramecium in the past. Unfortunately I have allowed my cultures to 'lapse' so wouldn't be able to help you with a sztarter. I got the original starter off UK ebay, maybe there is still a seller over there?
Alternatively you could try getting a non-specific Infusoria culture started - in a different age I used to use a small particle of banana skin in water - it goes quite ?: cloudy at first, but once the water starts to clear you should see (with a magnifying glass) tiny creatures within the water. I wouldn't recommend using tap water though - try to collect some from a natural source (ie a lake - you mightn't get too close to a river just at the moment). If you start a culture going now it should be ready by the time the eggs start to hatch.
Your suggestion to use a sponge filter could work, but I have, personally, never used it with any Killies. I have used the egglayers Liquifry with limited success, but the fry always seem to get a better start to life when able to get living foods right from the 'off'.

Good luck with them.

John

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N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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06 Jan 2016 22:29 #3 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
Thanks John ,
Would rain water work ? Also since my tanks are full of decaying leaves would a couple of pieces of them work as 1st food. Not the leaves themselves but everything that's on them

Eric

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06 Jan 2016 22:55 #4 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Epiplatys annulatus
I am thinking that rain water - being basically (naturally) distilled water would not have anything in it to begin the infusoria culture where water from a river, lake or even a pond would contain a tiny amount of the spores to get things under way.
But these things seem to be a constituent of airborne dust - so perhaps if you have a source of rain water which has been standing for any length of time it might well have enough in to get things started.
Colin (Puddlefish) did a short article on Paramecium culture in (of all places) the 'Articles' section - that makes for interesting reading too.

John

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N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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15 Jan 2016 21:57 #5 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
Well the 1st one hatched today. Have 3 more eggs in this tub and another 8 or so in another tub. Hopefully I can raise plenty of youngsters from the group




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16 Jan 2016 17:59 #6 by anthonyd (Anthony Debesne)
Nice, hoppefully you will get a mix of feales and ales from them

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16 Jan 2016 21:13 #7 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
Thanks. Yea a mix would be great. They're laying pretty much everyday now so im sure ill be able to set up more trios once I get the rearing correct. I'm thinking of not removinga my eggs for a couple of weeks to see if any make it with the parents. I've some duckweed , beech leaves and hortwort in the tank so maybe


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17 Jan 2016 10:15 #8 by killikid (donald carson)
Hi Eric,If you you leave the older fry in the tank with the new hatchling's
they will eat them,you will have a better survival rate if you remove the
older one's.KK

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17 Jan 2016 10:45 #9 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
Cheers.
I've 3 free swimming fry and another 4-5 ready to hatch in the same tub so ill separate them today so.

Eric

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19 Jan 2016 10:35 #10 by igotadose (matt kaufman)
had lots of success in permanent setups with thick plants and a pair. Soon as I saw the babies, move parents to a similar tank and feed the babies newly hatched brine shrimp. Never had big success messing about with eggs for the reasons you list - hard to feed them, hard to keep infusoria going.

What location, do you know?

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19 Jan 2016 21:31 #11 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
No idea on location. I bought them from seahorse. Hoping to get a culture of paramecium from the UK this week so that should make it easier to feed them


Eric

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19 Jan 2016 21:39 #12 by igotadose (matt kaufman)
good luck with the paramecia. Never could keep them going very long, too many wild contaminants. Plus, don't make the killies too hard; ANN are one of those really suited to natural setups, not every killi requires you mess around picking eggs. Very nice fish, a big tankful is quite a sight.

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19 Jan 2016 21:49 #13 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
I might setup a tank with plenty of plants and let them work away themselves. I've have them in a bare enough tank at the minute. I only have a few leaves , hornwort and a couple of mops

Eric

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04 Mar 2016 21:42 #14 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
Forgot to update this thread. I added a load of moss to the tank and ended up finding fry of different ages swimming around. I also removed some eggs and have hatcheda nd growing well.
I have some cultures of paramecium on the go so that's really helping the tiny fry.
I did lose the adult male so hopefully some will turn out male





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04 Mar 2016 21:57 #15 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
A great fish,lots of character.i had a few before but getting them to eggs stage was impossible to rear with other fish in the tank...they were great to watch...but liked to jump too!

Gavin

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15 Apr 2016 20:54 #16 by wildlifebiology93 (Sean O'Sullivan)
Have the Epiplatys continued to spawn for you Eric?

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15 Apr 2016 21:43 #17 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)

Have the Epiplatys continued to spawn for you Eric?



I lost the male but still have the 2 females and about 10+ fry growing on. Hopefully ill get both sexes and breed them again soon

Eric

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