Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)
Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
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I find myself agreeing with Ian which makes me think I should look into Van Der Graaf as I had never heard of them
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Here's a nice bit from about 1970
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You mean on the Panic Scene from Lost in Woodland Stream as the murky rapids keep choking mankind as they search for what is already found in a struggle against the constant beat of chaos.
(the tape was too stretched to get the rest of the song recovered).
But, yeah much of our stuff was supposed to be uneasy and make the audience feel a panic (especially at the volume played in a small pub).
That's why I'm a VDGG fan.

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The timing, or should I say the lack of in Ian's first video is atrocious. I think John H's groans are well justified in this matter! Sorry about that Ian. Let's face it, it's a terrible mish-mash.
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Dave, I knew it wouldn't be long before he started to showcase his talents...
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Actually as a side note what radio stations do yous listen to .larely for me it's been radio nova
I've switched to radio nova some months ago......one my musical heros is a DJ on there (Rick Wakeman....and his live comedy shows are also pretty good).
A good selection of music on there, and they may even play the full version of Free Bird (now that is a track to drive up the motorway when hard Kick-Down on the pedals).
Thanks JohnG and Ian,
I always have Nova on the car radio whenever I head 'into the east' and found out yesterday that I can get it online out here the other side of the Slieve Bloom mountains.
It makes a gentler change from Planet Rock - now I have two options. Great.
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You're quite good on the Guitar
I like the 2nd track
nice Guitar throughout the whole track, I like the way it wanders off in different directions from time to time, gets nice n' trippy with the FX pedals...
when was it recorded ?
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thanks for sharing Your Music Ian
You're quite good on the Guitar
I like the 2nd track
nice Guitar throughout the whole track, I like the way it wanders off in different directions from time to time, gets nice n' trippy with the FX pedals...
when was it recorded ?
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Cheers Des.
Although I have been a classical music teacher for many years (and pretty strict with my students), I have tried to break away from my classical training by using it to just do whatever I want when I want (rebellion in other words

In both tracks the band (except the singer) were rock music students of mine who had only been playing for a few months, so I asked if they'd like to form a band and get some good experience of playing in front of an audience.
The 2nd track was recorded live in about 1991 or 92......we wrote it the afternoon of the gig, rehearsed it once, then went on stage.
I love the adrenaline rush of using nulti-effects on a song that has not been rehearsed that well....anything can (and does) go wrong. The rush is in hoping the band can react quickly....and on that the singer didn't start singing on cue.
Most of our stuff was very long though (15 minutes to an hour long songs),and often very much middle-eastern with hungarian or german-classical overtones (with loads of flamenco through in in the chord progressions). We were also big into experimenting with playing common rhythms backwards.
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thanks for sharing Your Music Ian
You're quite good on the Guitar
I like the 2nd track
nice Guitar throughout the whole track, I like the way it wanders off in different directions from time to time, gets nice n' trippy with the FX pedals...
when was it recorded ?
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...We were also big into experimenting with playing common rhythms backwards.
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So that's where U2 got their idea from?

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thanks for sharing Your Music Ian
You're quite good on the Guitar
I like the 2nd track
nice Guitar throughout the whole track, I like the way it wanders off in different directions from time to time, gets nice n' trippy with the FX pedals...
when was it recorded ?
Des
...We were also big into experimenting with playing common rhythms backwards.
ian
So that's where U2 got their idea from?
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Their're are all simple common rhythms that anyone can dance to.

I mean like Tubular Bells (Bach played backwards); and Jethro Tull's early stuff; and interesting off-beat Rhythms such as Golden Brown by the Stranglers.....and Trees by Rush (and many other Rush stuff). !!
Take Trees (by Rush) as the drum rhythm with its partial quintuplet timing, and then add a 24/16 piece by Bach over the top like this (I love Bach by the way...one of my biggest influences).
Then add vocal melody timing (always changing) like in Rush's Losing It......and you get a backward rolling rhythm.
Simple....well, no, it can easily fall apart.



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Simple....well, no, it can easily fall apart.
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In my case very simply - I am totally lost!!!



As they do say "It's only Rock'n'Roll, but I like it" (apologies to Nanker & Phelge - or as they later became, The Glimmer Twins).
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Simple....well, no, it can easily fall apart.
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In my case very simply - I am totally lost!!!
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As they do say "It's only Rock'n'Roll, but I like it" (apologies to Nanker & Phelge - or as they later became, The Glimmer Twins).
John
Many musicians are as well.
And, yep, it is if you like the final product it that matters.
This is where a big Rush chat comes in.
Their unique sound comes from having 3 people in the band for a long time use to working with each other (even though Pert is off on his own a lot) and using rhythm tricks (but they also have a Pert to help that), and the pre-80s material is a great mix of Led Zeppelin and Yes (and that is why the music press hated them so much as they couldn't get their heads around the complex rhythms).
Cygnus X-1 (part 1) and La Villa (= ace).
Not only do Rush have great musicians able to carry off mad stuff, they write some great songs to go with it. Very influential.
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From Tommy Emmanuel to Bob Marley, The Police to Daft Punk, Adele to Chet Atkins and so on and so forth
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@John, what's your favourite Rush track by the way?
What isn't would be closer to the question.
Although I did find the new CD - Clockwork Angels - a bit hard to get into at first.
ALL of 2112, Grace Under Pressure, the list goes on (and on).
The Time Machine DVD is superb, and the little 'sketches' add to the enjoyment no end.
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ps, I recently heard them also being compared to Genesis, and must say that Geddy's keyboard work was rather similar in earlier times.
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I remember waiting for Hemispheres to arrive on the shelves....but was a tad disappointed with it as I was waiting for Cygnus X-1 part 2.
But, if I hadn't had been anticipating that then I would rate it as a nice album (and it has Trees and La Villa on it ).
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Guess the age gets us all in the end.
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Rush so obviously enjoy performing and put so much into each one that I could see it as being a possibility.
Maiden were rumoured to be quitting after last year's tour - so anything beyond that is a bonus for the 'followers'.
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Must get some Rush from you, as I really only know the 'common' stuff, I'll swap it for The ANZACS

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"Must get some Rush from you, as I really only know the 'common' stuff, I'll swap it for The ANZACS
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Sounds good to me.
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I need a seat because of old age, what a pity we may have to abandon that gig.
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Rush
a few videos (from the 70s)...
(well....it's ok to wear silk nighties and twin-neck guitars....honest)
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Won a pair of tickets today on Radio Nova to go see Eric Clapton, I love his early stuff, but didn't like the unplugged album when it came out, more of a Cream and Derek and the Dominos era fan, White Room would rate as one of my all time favourite songs. ginger baker was just a legend at the old skin pounding.
Cool.
White Room is one hell of a classic.
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I was going to take Justine (as part of her Birthday Pressie) to see Opeth.......but the venue has no seated tickets as of yet available, and we're not going to stand at a gig !!
For classically trained musician, and a music tutor of classical music some may say that I shouldn't be listening to this death metal stuff.......but I love it.
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It wouldn't do for everyone to like the same music (or in this case substitute 'music' for 'noise').
Ian,
I previously had great respect for your taste in music - but this???
Next you'll be posting slipknot videos?
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probably not, but what the hell, said I'd throw it out there anyway...
Great Band, I like a bit of Avant Garde Music from time to time
another Band I'm listening to a lot these days is Virus
same Singer in both Bands
Carl Michael Eide, great drummer, only plays on the Ved Buens Ende track...
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