seting up juwel vision 180 tank

i am seting up juwel vision 180 tank, so i want to as how much i would be need jbl aqua basis plus and jbl monado substances in litres and cm? as i wan to plant it

JBL suggest 2cm aqua basis with 4cm of another substrate on top. I think 5L basis and 10L manado would get you close to that.

ok, thanks for info and i will try it, thanks

Karolis I'm with the same question, was 5l aquabasis and 10l manado enough?

I might be pointing out the obvious here but remember to only put Aquabasis where you plan to have plants, not necessarily all over the tank

Yep, as LemonJelly says, you don't need Aquabasis everywhere! I set up a Rio 180 with Aquabasis and Manado, I'll check tomorrow to see how much I used...

J.

LemonJelly I don't know how much I'm planting so maybe I put aquabasis in all places.

Jasonb that would be really nice, thanks!

Well, I checked how much AquaBasis and Manado I used on my tank. It's basically the same size as a Rio 180, so its internal measurements would be 98cm long by 38 cm wide (and approx. 50cm high but that's not important here).

I got 5L of AquaBasis and that filled approx. 1/2 of my tank. Maybe a little bigger than half, but that's it. I basically put my AquaBasis in the back left corner, and it doesn't reach the front pane or the right pane (if that makes sense?). I was happy with not covering the full tank as I only planned to put plants in one section and also it helped me have a slightly sloping substrate.

I got 25L of Manado and I used about 2/3 to 3/4 of it. Not exactly sure how much I didn't use, and I've given it away now so I can't check, but I'd say there was maybe 6-8L left in the bag.

There's a possibility I may have layered both substrates a little 'thick', but only a little, I didn't go crazy or anything.

The only thing I'll say about the Manado is that its quite 'light'. It does sink (apart from a few grains when you first put it in the tank) but when using a gravel cleaner some will come with the bucket into the water (thought most of it won't). It's easy to put back in again though, as it does sink like I said.

Also, be careful what you're planting. I've had a lot of problems planting Vallis in it. That's 'cos Vallis needs to have the top of its roots exposed, which leaves very little to go into the substrate, and I don't think the Manado is 'heavy' enough to hold the Vallis in place. It took me a good while to get the Vallis in without it floating free again, and I'm still not certain if enough of the roots are exposed. Other plants that don't have this need for their roots to be exposed would be fine I'd imagine, I've some Cryptos that are doing fine in it. And my Corys love digging around in the Manado...

Hope that all makes sense!

J.

So I will need about 10l sustrate for the whole tank, I have read in older posts someone (think was Homer) suggested John Innis nº3 instead of aquabasis, it's cheaper than aquabasis (less than 5€/10l) but don't know if is worse.
About manado I think a 25l will be more than enough for me, you said is a bit light and some goes by the gravel cleaner, the other option is Ada amazon dunno if is heavier than manado.

Yep, you'd need 10L of AquaBasis to cover the whole tank alright. 25L of Manado will probably be too much (as it was for me) but the smaller bag of it wouldn't be enough.

I would let the fact that Manado is light put you off using it, it's just something to be aware of. And I'm only in this hobby a couple of months, so I don't know about the John Innes or Ada Amazon, sorry...

J.