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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

30h war / power cut

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13 Feb 2014 18:19 #1 by Melander (Andreas Melander)
It is finally over.

We have been without power for a good 30+ hours now and it feels like me and my fishes have been through a war.

There has been moments of sadness (losing fish) and brief moments of hope and joy (battery driven air pumps arriving), and moments of despair (I had bought the wrong batteries for the air pumps).

The time included very little sleep and a LOT of driving to get supplies, mainly warm water. In the end I did around 8h of driving.

There are a few things that I can share:

* Buy the equipment you need in advance, I had checked out that my LFS had battery driven air pumps for instance but not counted on that the shop would close during a power shortage. I eventually got them in Dublin (thanks Seahorse and understanding gf). Stock up on the RIGHT batteries.

* Make sure you have proper torches and a battery driven radio, I had neither and it was really hard to work without light or knowledge about how long it would last. Some supplies for yourself is not a bad idea either, you don't want to spend precious time getting food for yourself.

* My styrofoam insulated tank worked really well, it kept the heat noticeable better than the others. All the fish in this tank seems to have survived very well.

* I need to sort out some battery powered heater and one of those electricity storage devices, whatever they are called.

* The sponges (kept in oxygenated water) seem to have kept the bacteria alive pretty well, no massive spikes so far.

All in all it was very stressful and I sadly did lose some nice fish but It could have gone far worse. I was not prepared enough but I was not completely in the nip either, I had not however counted on a power cut lasting this long.

Did anyone else struggle?

Andreas

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13 Feb 2014 20:34 - 14 Feb 2014 09:46 #2 by Aroshni (Lydia Olivera)
Andreas you had to be like in a nightmare, what a despair. Hope you didn't lose too much although every little life counts.

Where I used to live in Spain the electric company was a shit and the instalation of our zone a bigger shit, so we had like 3 or 4 power cuts daily which broke us a lot of pc components, (even UPS) lots of data lost, electric appliances, food from the fridge/freezer.
The 2010 year was epic, because we where celebrating chritsmas day in our home and a lot of family were coming to dinner and we couldn't cook anything until 9 pm, I can't forget that day, because was really a shit. If that had cause me loosing any of my pets... I can't imagine.

I'm lucky that in my area there're not such problems right now ,crossing fingers, but at the end of the year I'd like to move to Bray, Enniskerry or some part of the country side not too far from Sandyford and I'm thinking that maybe I start having this troubles and a mingy broadband.
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13 Feb 2014 21:19 #3 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
Have to say Andreas I was very lucky to not have any cuts,
And I'm very sorry to hear you lost fish,
May I ask,
What did you lose?

Hopefully we can all learn from your loss!
If there's anything I can do (and its probably to late now)
Just let me know
Cheers!

Anyone with a aquarium can keep fish,
But it takes real skill to be a fish keeper,


And it's spongeBob,
SpongeBob lives in a pineapple under the sea
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13 Feb 2014 21:42 #4 by Stem12 (Stephen M)
Andreas really sorry to hear about your losses,
I was going to set up a topic regarding-what can we do to combat against this power cut massacre we've been having,
I too have been quite lucky with my electric with no power cuts thank god,
But if it does happen where would I buy the battery powered heaters and air pumps?

S.

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13 Feb 2014 22:08 #5 by anthonyd (Anthony Debesne)
Sorry to hear about your fishes.
I m in same boat as you as i found my rams lying dead at the bottom of the tank, thank god before my kids saw them.
If you find these battery operated heater please share the link.
Does anyone here use a power generator as a back up for their fish room ?
Anthony

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14 Feb 2014 00:13 - 14 Feb 2014 00:14 #6 by wolfie (Anthony)
i was just gonna ask the same ,surely for people with a bigger setup a portable generator is a worthwhile investment,also have a look at these
battery back up
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14 Feb 2014 08:49 - 14 Feb 2014 08:51 #7 by mossy (gavin blanchfield)

i was just gonna ask the same ,surely for people with a bigger setup a portable generator is a worthwhile investment,also have a look at these
battery back up

i have a generator which is very handy
when i was building the house i wired it so i can switch from mains to generator on my big tank in the house
at least i have the tank sorted and i can plug in my fridge to keep the beer co B) ol
sorry to hear about your fish andreas
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14 Feb 2014 09:43 #8 by Ski (Alan McGee)
Yeah I should really invest in a generator as well. What type do you have Mossy? Don't have a clue about generators

Sorry for the fish that died Andreas but good job keeping the rest alive.

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14 Feb 2014 11:17 - 14 Feb 2014 13:16 #9 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic 30h war / power cut
Andreas,
You have my total sympathies.
While I didn't suffer as fully as yourself my power was out for around 22 hours.
No worries, I thought, I'll get the little 2-stroke generator going, running a power lead through a partially open bathroom window...some hopes!!! I just couldn't start the bloody thing and got soaked to the skin in the trying!
I vaguely now remember that petrol now has an additive which degrades it when stored for any length of time (probably ANOTHER E.C. directive!!!).
I must try a bit of goggling later to find out more info.
Anyway, the upshot is that I do not yet know the total sum of my Fish losses, but for certain there is the young adult pair of the stunning Angels (Santa-something) from Arabu, the lovely adult Trilineatus and many other Corys too. It's really a bit hard to see into some of my tanks (very tanned water due to peat substrate) so I'm just going to have to wait and watch for floating corpses. I am especially worried for the well-being of the Fish I got on my last trip to Seahorse Aquariums too, I have not seen them since the power returned (peat again, plus Almond leaves and a plethora of caves) and I really don't want to go poking around in case they are still alive for fear of further stressing them.
Mercifully it wasn't especially cold so the temperature loss wasn't huge - even though it did drop into the low/mid 60s.
Obviously the survivors will see no food for maybe a week, until - he says with fingers crossed - the surviving bacteria (assuming some has survived - and I'm not altogether certain it will have) gets the chance to rebuild its numbers.
All in all quite a traumatic 22 hours!
Oh well, they do say these things are sent to try us (and often they succeed).

John.

Location:
N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


ITFS member.



It's a long way to Tipperary.
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14 Feb 2014 11:51 #10 by mossy (gavin blanchfield)

Yeah I should really invest in a generator as well. What type do you have Mossy? Don't have a clue about generators

Sorry for the fish that died Andreas but good job keeping the rest alive.

hi ski
any of the honda gennys are brillant
plenty of them on done deal for 150-200 euro

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14 Feb 2014 12:07 #11 by Ski (Alan McGee)

Yeah I should really invest in a generator as well. What type do you have Mossy? Don't have a clue about generators

Sorry for the fish that died Andreas but good job keeping the rest alive.

hi ski
any of the honda gennys are brillant
plenty of them on done deal for 150-200 euro


Great thanks Mossy, will check them out

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14 Feb 2014 13:08 #12 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
Im gutted for you Andrea's....
I was completely unprepared for the power cuts and thus lost my favourite fish....
My beautiful Green Terror (Terry) who was only coming back to full health after I nearly lost her to fookin worms at christmas!!!!

I only noticed last night she was missing and went rooting for her..... The cray fish had topped off their greedy little bellies on her carcas.... cant really blame them!!!! They are skavangers after all....

Im looking at investing in a diesel generator later in the year (when prices settle again) that Ill be able to power most things off in the event of a major outage again

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14 Feb 2014 16:43 #13 by paulv (paul vickers)
This is a wake up call for all fish keepers. Realy sori andreas and john to read about your fish lose.

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15 Feb 2014 15:07 #14 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
Very sad to read this me thoughts are with yez lads

I wonder if one if the sponsors could sort out generators at a half decent price if say 50 of us were to agree on a price and even pay a deposit in the shop or over the phone
With a shop ordering a large number of them I'm sure they would get a nice discount and be able to sort us out
Maybe one if the mods could bring this idea to a few sponsors threw email ect

Just a thought what do yea think lads??

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15 Feb 2014 16:36 #15 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic 30h war / power cut
Nice suggestion Jeff, but I would suspect that the kind of specialist Fish Shops we have in Ireland just wouldn't have access to wholesale-priced Generators - of course I could be wrong and would be more than pleased to hear from any who might be able to sell them to Forum members at advantageous prices.
I think perhaps Mossy's suggestion to trawl DoneDeal and the like (there are some Honda ones on Adverts.ie at the moment).
I'm SO regretting not buying the one I was offered by a traveller (probably 'lost' from some building site) but I just couldn't afford it at the time.

I've been retrieving corpses today - not a very pleasant task, I can assure you.

I must remember to buy a fresh gallon of 2-stroke mix and clean up the sparking plug, in readiness for the next time (hopefully there won't be a next time - but we can hardly expect there not to be while power supplies are allowed to be transferred by overground methods).

John

Location:
N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


ITFS member.



It's a long way to Tipperary.

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15 Feb 2014 18:21 #16 by Melander (Andreas Melander)
Thank you so much everyone who got involved and for all the suggestions.

I really feel sorry for all who lost fish. I have done a head count and I am very lucky in that many of my fishes have survived, my losses were mainly from a temporary set up (with very poor insulation) with L129s. I can’t imagine poor Johns nightmare, and he was even prepared for it, seems unfair.

The generator is a good solution, fair play Mossy I would gladly have traded the stress for a relaxing beer.
A diesel generator is however not an option for me, due to the location and I suspect the same for many others. I will scout for an electric alternative.

I’m afraid that there probably is no such thing as a battery driven heater. This is the battery driven air pump I used and they worked well. I suspect many LFS’s have them, I got mine I Seahorse.
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The battery back up looks great, I just wonder if it would be strong enough to power the heaters. Has anyone tried these?

Paul is right in that it is a wake up call, I'll certainly make sure to be better prepared for the next one.

All the best,

Andreas

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